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It sounds like the USGOV discovered a 5GWorg operating from the inside for the benefit of the state and against the state’s enemies, but without the permission or knowledge of the state. Once discovered, that state took it down.

Did a group of experienced military officers, comprised of intelligence analysts, Iraq war veterans, and reservists, some who are also police officers in Los Angeles, form their own “vigilance committee” to hunt down al Qaeda suspects operating inside the U.S.?
[…]
he San Diego Union-Tribune newspaper is uncovering some details from a secretive military court-martial that occurred in July:

“Marine Gunnery Sgt. Gary Maziarz said patriotism motivated him to join a spy ring, smuggle secret files from Camp Pendleton and give them to law enforcement officers for anti-terrorism work in Southern California.

“He knew his group was violating national security laws. But he said bureaucratic walls erected by the military and civilian agencies were hampering intelligence sharing and coordination, making the nation more vulnerable to terrorists.
[…]
mong the alleged conspirators are two colonels in the Marine Corps Reserve, one a detective for the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department and the other a veteran in the LAPD. A commander in the Naval Reserve who worked as an intelligence analyst at U.S. Northern Command headquarters is also an alleged conspirator.
[…]
The conspirators, experienced veterans in their fields and with much to lose, decided to do something effective, i.e. act outside the accepted system.
[…]
But those government officials responsible for protecting the country against terrorist attack have a responsibility to perform their jobs diligently and competently. Rogue “vigilance committees” can form whenever this is not the case.
[Reference: TCS Daily]


So, Is this a 5GW/near-5GW? How could they have done things differently/better?

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dan tdaxp Author Profile Page said:

Sounds like something much lower G — an attempt to concentrate firepower to wipe out an enemy — seemingly between 0 and 2 Gs.

That said, vigilante organizations are important components in distributed security platforms (like the US under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, especially 2nd amendment).

Arherring Author Profile Page said:

The article does not say much about how the group actually operated, so I can’t really say if it is 5GW or not. Gunnery Sgt. Gary Maziarz seems to me to be one small part of the operation who was passing along information. It does expose a vulnerability for 5GW groups. Not only do they need to operate by proxy, but everything they do should work through a system of proxies, including aquiring resources and information. It also just may be that one of the inner circle happened to be caught and now the whole operation will roll up.

I’d like to know more about how the group intended to act upon their information once they targeted an AQ cell. That may be very instructive.

Thunder Pig Author Profile Page said:

If these guys had a true cell structure, then the ones gathering intel would have no clue who they were passing to so the organization couldn’t be rolled up, and had minders (unknown to the operatives) to alert others if (and when) their man had been compromised, because (I would expect) the operational lifespan of a covert operative would be very short.
This might have even been a coat trailing op by the gov’t as a precautionary measure.
I imagine this is a concern.

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